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Ep. 3 - Regenerative Business and Living Systems Design with Tre Cates
In this episode of Ruminations, we sit down with Tre Cates, founder of nRhythm (https://nrhythm.co), to explore what it really means to build a regenerative organization.
Tre unpacks the difference between managing complexity and trying to control it, and shares how his journey with the Savory Institute—and the early development of the Hub model—shaped his thinking. From living systems design to organizational health, this conversation invites us to rethink the way we structure our teams, our businesses, and our definitions of success.
Tre Cates is the founder of nRhythm, a consulting firm helping organizations around the world design systems that align with the principles of life itself—complexity, emergence, resilience, and interconnectedness.
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⏱ TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Intro
04:15 Welcome Tre Cates
05:42 Understanding the Cartesian Split
08:38 Complexity in Agriculture and Beyond
16:54 Managing Complexity vs. Control
28:27 Patterns and Principles of Living Systems
32:09 nRhythm's Approach to Regenerative Organizations
43:27 Foundational Beliefs and Operational Identity
44:52 Monitoring Health and Emergence
51:20 Understanding Governance Structures
53:00 Creating Conditions for Success
55:42 Monitoring for Emergence
56:55 Embracing Emergence in Organizations
01:11:34 Case Study: Transforming a Boutique Firm
01:18:44 The Savory Hub Network and Decentralization
01:26:13 Influential Thinkers and Schools of Thought
01:33:19 Future Patterns and Societal Shifts
01:44:00 Final Thoughts
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Music written & performed by https://www.youtube.com/@travismcnamara9313
