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The Moonshot Podcast S2, Episode 3: Chasing the Wind, Storing the Sun
Humanity’s need for energy continues to grow. This episode of The Moonshot Podcast explores two X projects that aimed to generate and store power in radically unexpected ways. First, Astro Teller sits down with Project Makani’s Fort Felker, who led a team at X that built the world’s first energy kites.
Astro then chats with Raj Apte about the origins of Malta, a long-duration grid-scale energy storage company. Malta’s system converts variable energy into on-demand power using high-temperature molten salt and a low-temperature liquid.
0:00 - Intro
0:57 - Meet Fort Felker, Project Makani lead
03:58 - The origins of Makani
04:38 - The vision for Makani’s energy kite system
05:44 - The largest electric “airplane” ever made
06:39 - Crashing as many aircrafts as quickly as possible
07:23 - The physical components of Makani’s system
10:45 - How Makani’s kite flew
11:47 - Testing in Alameda, Hawaii, and China Lake
12:41 - The story behind “container-henge”
13:47 - Testing the kites in deep ocean water
17:43 - Learnings from Makani
19:23 - Meet Raj Apte, Project Malta
20:04 - Why batteries need a moonshot
21:12 - The importance of energy storage
22:17 - The origins of Malta’s moonshot
25:42 - How Malta uses molten salt to store energy
26:52 - The researcher behind Malta’s energy system
29:22 - Malta’s initial “kill criteria”
30:07 - Malta’s turning point into an independent company
31:23 - Malta’s grid-scale battery project in Spain
33:13 - What initially attracted Raj to the Malta project
35:10 - Conclusion
To learn more about Makani, check out The Makani Collection: https://x.company/projects/makani/. This comprehensive archive features technical reports, designs, code, flight logs, and a documentary film published to support the next generation of airborne wind scientists.
Hosted by Astro Teller, Captain of Moonshots, The Moonshot Podcast goes behind the scenes with creators and inventors trying to find radical solutions and breakthrough technologies to the world’s biggest problems. These are the untold stories of innovation from 16 years of Alphabet’s moonshot factory.
The Moonshot Podcast is a Pique Action production for X, The Moonshot Factory, produced in association with Blanchard House.
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